TheMoon wrote: ↑
Sat Jun 16, 2018 9:07 am
Just following on from my previous, David's comment about the gynocentric world of therapy strikes me as possibly a microcosm of the opposite state of affairs, where the framework has been developed by women, and don't necessarily mesh that well with a more traditionally masculine point of view. I might suspect nursing to be similar. If there are any male nurses on this forum I would be interested to hear what they think about it too.
I think this is a fascinating point Moon. I have stayed away from this thread because I have strong opinions about this sort of thing.
I have a theory that men are not as flexible in adopting or even perceiving a woman's point of view. Most books, movies, television, most media we consume, are written by men. Even stories primarily about women are almost always written, and directed, produced, etc., by men. Stories written by women are more rare, but, happily, becoming less so lately.
But this means that women who consume media are used to seeing a man's perspective. In fact, we see everything from a man's perspective so much that we sometimes have difficulty understanding our own perspective. Men, however, rarely see stories from a women's perspective - and often stories from a women's perspective are diminished in our culture as "chick flicks," so men actively avoid them. Thus men have a much more difficult time adopting a woman's perspective, simply because our culture does not give them as much experience or practice at it.
This, Ivanhoe, is a result of our patriarchy. Men have more access to positions of authority and power in our culture - and although there are exceptions - this is a given. Just look around. But I believe, a benefit of this, is that women have more flexibility. A detriment is that men have less. I don't believe this is hard-wired, it is a result of our culture.
Patriarchy, while it used to be more embedded in law - women are no longer considered property and women may own their own property (but it really wasn't so very long ago that this changed) - is still embedded in our culture.
When I graduated years ago, I thought we had sexism and remnants of patriarchy licked. I thought that I as a woman had the same opportunities in a career if I just worked hard. But it simply isn't true. Again - just look around. In law, for example, women make up more than half of law graduates (for over 30 years now), but just 35% of lawyers at law firms, and just 20% of partners. Why? I, for one, don't believe that it is because women are less ambitious (I had excellent credentials and put in my share of 80 to 90 hour work weeks for years - even after having children), it is because those in positions of authority think they are and do not offer them the same opportunities. I know this from personal experience and from conversations with many friends and colleagues.
I must say that this LE has also been extremely eye-opening for me in how people treat men and women differently. LO gets so many opportunities that no woman his age would have access to. People defer to LO so easily - even when what he is asking for or what he is saying makes little sense, because he says it confidently and he is male. I think before when I worked closely with men - they were always a little older than me, or had slightly different experience, and so I could rationalize why others deferred to them over me. There is none of that with LO, I have more experience, more knowledge, more education, in every way, and yet people will still defer to him over me. It is galling, but there is no way I can rationalize it as anything other than blatant sexism, on everyone's part (including me).
As for men in professions that are predominately female, I think it is very difficult for men. There is far more societal stigma for a man in a woman's profession (nurse, elementary school teacher), than a woman in a man's profession (lawyer, stockbroker). But, I think men also forget that even there, they get far more opportunities. Men tend to rise quickly in women's professions to the tops of that field, because even women are sexist (again including myself), where women are often kept down. And even in women's professions, the framework is often not developed by women (how is the framework for therapy gynocentric when all of the leading theorists are men, Freud, Jung, Erikson, Piaget, Skinner, etc).