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Newsweek magazine: CRM: A RADICAL NEW THERAPY COULD TREAT THE 'UNTREATABLE' VICTIMS OF TRAUMA

Talk therapy can help but at times less cognitive treatments are required. Anything related to ANY form of therapy goes here.
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Newsweek magazine: CRM: A RADICAL NEW THERAPY COULD TREAT THE 'UNTREATABLE' VICTIMS OF TRAUMA

Post by bhicks » Thu Apr 20, 2017 3:29 am

http://www.newsweek.com/2017/03/31/trau ... 72367.html

This is based on shamanic techniques and related processes (like breathwork and toning) to activate the body and emotions to heal PTSD & Addictions.

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Post by David » Thu Apr 20, 2017 6:48 am

Thanks BHicks

Great article


This paragraph jumped out at me:

Nevertheless, there are plenty of therapists ready to argue that you don’t have to be a crank to question the limits of talk. The CRM school is one tributary in a much wider movement of PTSD specialists who believe body-oriented approaches can help people who might never otherwise get to the root of their problems. If they are right, the implications go far beyond treating the psychological scars of rape, accidents or warfare. There is mounting evidence that childhood trauma caused by abuse, neglect or abandonment is behind much of the depression, anxiety and addiction suffered by adults. Western industrial civilization is founded on faith in the problem-solving power of the intellect. But if modern societies want to heal from an epidemic of mental illness, Schwarz and her allies believe that yet more thinking will not suffice: The true answers will be found beyond the veil of the everyday, rational mind.


I do believe talk therapy doesn't have all the answers - the evidence points more and more to trauma being held in the body and thats where the answers reside.
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Post by bhicks » Thu Apr 20, 2017 2:21 pm

Hi David,

Its great too see techniques that I have learned become a little more mainstream. My T uses regression and visualization methods as well to do this, which I see is related to my trance methods I use with drums.

Yeah, wholeness, true freedom and feeling totally alive and present seems to require a full acceptance of who we are, feelings and all, 'upper' and 'lower' balanced in the heart. More acceptance of sentient awareness instead of just thinking.

One thing that really is helping me understand this process better is Right Use of Will series of books (it was channelled like A Course in Miracles) (and
related http://www.godchannel.com ), which I found around the time of my Mexico trip in October. It refers to the denial of feelings/body. This denial is reflected in the way Mother Earth is treated is for instance. Part of this is also reflected in traditions that seek to transcend feelings, another form of denial. It gets into the mystical, where everything we perceive on the outside, is reflection of the conscious and unconscious Self.
These books have produced their own related healing methodology: https://www.processcoaching.com/
Similarities here with CRM mentioned and Michael Brown's Presence Process using breathwork. It also incorporates the practice of Ho’oponopono shamanic traditions, which talks about when we heal ourselves we heal the outer world, since it is a reflection/generated from Deep Self, and at a deep enough level we are all connected as One. I find this quite empowering and humbling.

My Bufo journey I had direct experience of this, and know/remember it in my heart. Since then, I feel more in tune with my body, like when it tells me to rest, I rest. More heart centered too, connected to the outside world, but not attached like before. This also explains why as I feel more whole, I dont have to get acceptance from the outside world like I used to, since denied parts of myself are no longer reflected 'out there' like before. Still have my dramas of course! But not like before. I notice with the entheogenic work, and especially with Bufo, there is an energetic/vibrational component as well. Chants and tones also have this vibrational quality, which can activate parts of us to open up. In the CRM video attached to the article, I see the patient toning or screaming his terror/feelings away, allowing him to finally express them, and release them.

These shamanic tools are ways to bypass the denial/control structures of the ego to get in touch with a deeper and much larger part of ourselves, that has that connection. I think this work can make conscious this fact.
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Post by JohnDeux » Thu Apr 20, 2017 4:35 pm

Wow, thanks for this link, bhicks. David, the section you clipped is remarkable for being found in a magazine as mainstream as 'Newsweek'.....dare we hope that some of this is finally sinking in to the profession???

bhicks, you noted "It refers to the denial of feelings/body. This denial is reflected in the way Mother Earth is treated is for instance." It's one of those points that many don't seem to get.....that through our treatment as children we tend to adopt that outlook for how we treat ourselves, other humans, and other non-humans from other animals to the planet as a whole. Whole lot easier to strip-mine coal or make the oceans and atmosphere a dumping ground if the earth is just an extension of how we treat ourselves and those around us.

Good links....thanks!
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Post by LisaTranscending » Thu Apr 20, 2017 5:10 pm

hi bhicks. what interesting material. I like your comments on denial. there is so much denial internally that is ingested (literally) from the external since childhood. start with the consumption of animals. the denial involved in the act of eating fellow creatures is a mass phenomena and ever growing in inhumane practices and methods. if we stop for a moment and think about the way cows and chickens are slaughtered, according to The Humane Society of the United States approximately two billion cattle, chickens, ducks, hogs, sheep, lambs and turkeys were killed for food in the United States in 2015, well...that's staggering. and each individual soul is a precious life. the way they are treated is an abomination, and if we stopped to witness it, we would never eat meat again. but we are denied that reality. we live behind the veil of it every time we buy that neatly packaged flesh. and we are never taught or told to question the validity of it.

what happens to the human soul after consuming the flesh of tortured creatures?

we don't want to stop to look at this. it's too painful. and we enjoy meat. (until one day we don't enjoy it). and suddenly the denial, like a flash of enlightenment abruptly ends. it's all part of the waking up. it could be due to some illness, or some other inexplicable awakening. but the denial ends.

LE is like that. like an illness. we stay sick long enough, we uncover lots of what is buried. what are we denying ourselves when we are limerent?
we are all the victims of trauma when we are lied to and fed tortured animals in a sense. as children we have no choices. as adults sometimes we become helpless children all over again and fall victim to limerence and depression and other states that seem to kidnap us from our real self.

there's a mass delusion taking place on this planet as it relates to eating animals. it's not only destroying the very planet, it is on some level infecting the soul of mankind in a sense. every time we are deadened to violence and oblivious to suffering, we are in denial and on some level participants in the slaughter.

it takes an extreme amount of self reflection and awareness to uncover all we deny. but once we start to scratch that surface, it's not all dark and misery underneath. it's just the light is trapped inside. in a sense hiding away from us. it's up to each person to find access to that light and open it up and let it shine on all the world. and i don't know the methods of getting to that light by radical new therapy, transcending feelings might be one way actually to do that. because feelings aren't always representative of the actual self. if we use feelings as a barometer of who we are, it might not be an accurate reading of who we actually are.

I have been drumming recently as well. it's so great to get started that way in the morning to the internal rhythm and in a very relaxed way try to manifest that in repetitive sound. very trance like indeed.

we can be very responsible in our own healing and also be our own physician in a sense. ("physician heal thyself") in fact modern medicine is woefully inept at very basic nutritional paradigms because medicine is very corporate driven these days. the old shamanic and spiritual methods are quite powerful and I believe worthy of inclusion in medicine. it will be up to individuals however to delve really into methods that are unconventional since mainstream certainly can't let go of old indoctrinated myth...and you only need to start to tell people you don't eat meat any longer and get blown away by the misinformation they will HURL your way. being independent is the opposite of limerence too. it is truly the other side. it flies in the face of people pleasing or LO pleasing, and has moved the individual on a polar opposite quest. that was south....now...let's head north! higher and higher!

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Post by bhicks » Thu Apr 20, 2017 8:07 pm

Hi JD & LisaT,

Absolutely, our relation to other expressions of Source is not a balanced one, and is in denial. Indigenous people like native Americans made hunting happen in a sacred space, to honor that relation/connection that they had with other animals. Not to be judgemental, but yes, our society is hugely in denial and in pain. I realise now that addictions are to soothe this and not shift or deal with underlying emotions, and I would argue that our whole society at the moment is very addictive and promotes this. Like limerence, it extracts energy/power too, since we consent to give that power, albeit unconsciously for many people (like LE), and I would go further and argue that in many ways it is designed to extract power. I am not a vegan yet, but I see myself going that way, for many reasons.

As far as feelings, yes when we are blocked and do not have any trust, so feelings, intuition, instincts etc..are confusing, since for me at least, I was numb to most of my real feelings, since other feelings like fear/depression/self pity were covering underlying rage and despair/grief I had denied. So for me expressing those underlying feelings honestly and consciously have been key, to give me more freedom. The question then becomes, are we willing, and trusting enough to have our freedom and power? This is new and unknown territory for some like me who is used to patterns and denial. And as you say, it goes deep, many layers.

Interestingly I had some drama with my LO recently, which came after I made some choices and got triggered by my SO. It was all me of course, but I felt a game at play (reminicent of what my mother would do with me as a child), that really rocked me, a game that I was playing too. I denied my feelings to keep the peace, but it did not go away. In noticed that I wanted attention from my LO again a little more, and played some games with her. None of this felt good at all anymore. Thankfully I had a beach vacation not long after, perfect timing. I threw my back out though, my pelvis. I see the chiropractor today, and she sees one leg longer than the other. the Doctor does a lot of work with me, and my goodness, the somatic and emotional release I felt. I was crying, and felt myself release and open up. The Doctor mentions how the body, and back/spine particularly holds the emotions/energy that are not expressed. Now, I know that I need to express this anger I have in a safe environment, away from my SO, so that I can then talk to her more openly, and stop relying on old habits and denial. I think finding a kickboxing bag in a quiet gym will be great.

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Post by LisaTranscending » Thu Apr 20, 2017 9:04 pm

hello again bhicks. yes I get it about releasing energy (through feelings) out of the body system. but I'm an extremely feeling and emotional person (all the time) through music, through conversation, and am constantly getting hijacked by feelings. I don't tend to repress anything in the feeling realm. also I have a bias about being swept up by feelings that are self-generated and not reliable when it comes to addictions to LO or any other pulls whereby I "trust" feelings and run with them. I have from LE become aware of the transient nature of most feelings as well, and differentiate now less about how or what I'm feeling in that I know it's temporary.


there may be some male/female socialization break-throughs at play here. men are conditioned not to feel, whereas women are allowed to feel and believe that feelings are the determining truths about how we are perceiving situations. (and tend to trust our intuitive gut instincts for survival since we are probably called upon to sense danger more readily than males since we are at times sexual prey well beyond childhood or adolescence) all this is generalized opinions, but always some truths behind how we are socialized collectively.

I'm glad you are finding ways to release those feelings. I'm not suppressing mine, just less trusting of them as I have been in the past. but I wholeheartedly agree that your breakthroughs are really joyous and you do well by getting in touch with those feelings and releasing them. David always reminds me of the challenges men have in the feeling realm. I'm glad you are opening up to your real self instead of your socialized conditioned one.

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Post by bhicks » Thu Apr 20, 2017 9:53 pm

Hi LisaT,

Thank you, and same to you! :-D

Yeah, going on feeling alone is not balanced, there is also spiritual healing as well. For me it is about balance, as symbolized eloquently with the Tao. There has to be a balance which comes from and leads to wholeness. This balance, for me, is in the heart, that connects Great Spirit (father sky) with mother earth (the Great Mother of the universe).

One thing I have accepted about myself finally, is that I feel deeply, and very sensitive and empathic, which is probably why I reacted the way I did to my childhood. Since, yes, males have been stereotyped to repress feeling, this was a hurdle too in accepting this. Also, had to deny my feelings growing up. The other part of my recovery, which I often had a problem with in the past, is the more classical "masculine" characteristics of discipline, responsibility and conviction related to manifestation or attainment. My work with iboga, 12 steps, MKP, then ancestral family constellation work in Mexico has changed this. The ancestral work was to reclaim masculine energy that was denied me in my fathers line. This balance is usually denoted as an inner alchemy ("male" & "female" attributes balancing for wholeness). Again, in the tao, yin and yang have themselves inside the other as well, so "masculine" and "feminine" are not mutually exclusive to the sexes. Also, after using the i ching, and learning more about it and the tao, it also represents vibrations, of back and forth from assertiveness to receptivity and back again, reflective of the fundamental vibrational/cyclical nature of the universe. Similar (really equivalently) to shamanism, it represents a life stance that is with the natural flow of the universe.

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Post by JupiterTaco » Sun Apr 23, 2017 3:48 am

Thanks for sharing!
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